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Offline Peter  
#16 Posted : Sunday, May 12, 2019 10:20:29 AM(UTC)
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I appreciate the responses. Yes Doug, we in Australia do appreciate being part of the IMAC world and do want it to continue. I understand that the sequence committee has had some Aussies on board. However the ASAA organisation itself seems to be being penalized by being ignored. Its clear, as explained, IMAC has taken responsibility for WORLD development of IMAC. Adi you have discussed a lot with Micheal Hobson and myself - but there is no association-to-association correspondence.
The requirement of all pilots to be IMAC members works easily in countries where there is no aeromodelling or scale aerobatics organization in place. But in countries where there is an IMAC association, surely there should be consultation with it.
As a member of the ASAA executive, I can assure you that the executive will do all in its power to work with these developments. But for members of the ASAA to hear of these developments second hand by existing IMAC members (like me) is a formula for disaster in getting all IMAC (AUS) pilots on board. Thats what you want isn't it? In regard to voting for developments has anyone considered giving ASAA members an equal vote in matters that might affect them into the future? It might be for a nominal fee for the first year or two until the system is established.

Is it true that even in the USA and Canada, that all competitors will be required to be IMAC members? (perhaps with the exception of basic pilots?) - so the requirement for a $15.00 discount for non-members is now redundant?

Are the IMAC rules going to be amended to refer to the aeromodelling rules relevant to the legal jurisdiction the rules are being applied to? Easiest one is wherever AMA is referred to has to be generalised to "the responsible aeromodelling organisation of the relevant country" and if none exists the spirit of the AMA policy should be adhered to, In Australia, the would refer to the MAAA..
FAI matters could easily raise its head - even though as Manrico has discussed it seems inactive and F3M is not real IMAC.
In Australia, the MAAA is part of the FAI which is the world aerosport organization. The MAAA secretary was in recent years the Secretary of CIAM. Most aeromodellers know nothing about the inner workings of these international organisations - for good or bad. What we are faced with is that our local bodies and MAAA do not recognise IMAC competitions or their results because there is no IMAC subdiscipline within the framework of FAI. Likewise we do not receive the same sort of funding that other disciplines achieve - like F3A. Perhaps the door needs to be left open to have a subdiscipline of IMAC recognised in the FAI. Furthermore the FAI runs the World Air Games that includes aeromodelling, apart from this all being very expensive - 400 euros to register a competition!
Offline Chuck Edwards  
#17 Posted : Monday, May 13, 2019 4:06:16 AM(UTC)
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I see valid arguments from both sides.
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Offline Steve Stanton  
#18 Posted : Tuesday, May 14, 2019 2:41:41 PM(UTC)
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It seems like we had this kind of discussion when we had to raise our dues and I think some of the same
rational applies here. If an individual decides that IMAC is something they will enjoy and becomes an IMAC competitor, then joining the organization that provides the means for you to enjoy the sport is like a natural requirement. When you think about what you receive based on what you pay, the dues seem more than fair.
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Offline Peter  
#19 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2019 5:33:37 AM(UTC)
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Yes it is about money, but its also about how development amongst countries is progressed into the future.
So lets say the 95 or so flying members of ASAA pay their $ to IMAC. Will they also sign-up for ASAA membership? What duplication is likely to occur? Given that a local organisation (like ASAA) will have to administer comps locally - then some of the collected funds should go back to the region. I'm imagining that this is happening in Europe too.
How much of this will be paid back to the Regional Director to run the competitions and administer IMAC in Australia? Isn't that what is done to support each region? The money would be going around in circles with a percentage loss in exchange rates.
The ASAA is a recognised group within IMAC and has been for 15 plus years. Doesn't it make sense to consider this group of members differently from single members and charge the associated body some single group fee for the privilege of affiliation and to receive unknowns (or participate in the work to generate them).
If there was no ASAA, this discussion would not be occurring, but neither would there be an active competition schedule in Australia. Does that mean I should just keep quiet?
Offline Curtis Cozier  
#20 Posted : Wednesday, May 15, 2019 8:42:17 AM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Peter Go to Quoted Post
I <snip>

Are the IMAC rules going to be amended to refer to the aeromodelling rules relevant to the legal jurisdiction the rules are being applied to? Easiest one is wherever AMA is referred to has to be generalised to "the responsible aeromodelling organisation of the relevant country" and if none exists the spirit of the AMA policy should be adhered to, In Australia, the would refer to the MAAA.. <snip>


Just a quick clarification.. There is no such thing as "IMAC Rules" They are AMA Scale Aerobatics.... They are worked on and submitted traditional by members of IMAC... but they are finalized and released by the AMA.
One need not be an IMAC member in order to participate in that process
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Charles Lewis on 5/15/2019(UTC)
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