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Offline Daren Hudson  
#1 Posted : Thursday, June 20, 2019 7:07:35 PM(UTC)
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Hello everyone, I hope your seasons are as busy and rewarding as mine has been.

So, Novice Class? How’s it going? I realize this is a new initiative. It was met with mixed reviews but most of the criticisms were more from lack of proper understanding than true opposition to the intent of the program. I think there is a much better understanding among CDs now. Hopefully there are some positive results to share. Please do share here, good, bad and in between.

I know there has been a request for metrics on the initiative. I would caution that (especially in the early stages) that numbers alone are not the critical statistic to focus on. We all know statistics can be manipulated how ever we need them to tell a particular story.

I offer my first experience with Novice Class at my first Contest in 2019, The Granite State IMAC on June 7-9. The pre registration numbers for this early (in the NE region) contest were a bit low with 12 total pilots and only 1 in Unlimited. 3 Basic pilots and 1 new IMAC member in Basic. Novice had some verbal interest but no commitment.

During registration I asked all pilots who were interested to volunteer for Novice Mentoring to check off the column on the sign up sheet. I actually modified the sign in sheet to add a column next to the names and added a short description. I’m happy to report that ALL pilots volunteered. The host club had a few pilots come out during our “shared” practice day and Sat to fly after competition. My friend Tyler McCormack showed up planeless so he wouldn’t be flying Unlimited but intended to help out where he could. A little ribbing with a club member, who happened to be an accomplished pilot but said, when asked about doing Novice, “I’m not into the disciplined flying”. I said “Ray, maybe you’ll like the challenge, donate $10 and give it a try.” He knows Tyler and said “I want something that says I beat Tyler!” Well, we had unused Unlimited awards! I said “Tyler will be your mentor and he can sign over his award as an autograph, now get your plane ready and talk with your mentor!” The other Novice pilot was Bob, he was calling for his son Tom in Sportsman. Bob has joined and is pre registered for our Aug Plum Island contest. He was there, had an Eflite C150 to fly for fun. He asked, can I do Novice? I said, why not? It will give you a practice day and I know just the mentor, your son Tom! Both pilots reported it was a great day and worth it. Ray commented “that was more challenging than I thought, it was really fun”. We had a couple awards left over due to dropped pilots so the guys put together an informal, fun, awards ceremony. We signed the awards with a thank you and the mentor and CD name.

Now, numbers guys will say “only 2”. Stats guys will say 20% of total pilots. Promotion guys (me) say we made 2 more friends of IMAC that will share their positive, fun experience with other members, who knows what that can lead? There were also more members watching the novice guys (their friends and accomplished pilots) being challenged in a relaxed, enjoyable setting! It’s not only about numbers, it’s about “friend- raising” and getting a positive word out there about our IMAC community and the benefit of flying with a purpose.

CDs need to “sell” this a little to mentors and to “fencers”. Host club members are prime candidates. Good luck and mentor a Novice at your next contest.

Thanks, Daren
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Offline Chuck Edwards  
#2 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 12:07:03 AM(UTC)
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Daren,

What you guys are doing is great and much appreciated. However... It is absolutely about the numbers, especially given the membership status as it is.
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Offline Daren Hudson  
#3 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 12:41:42 AM(UTC)
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Charles,

I’m not implying that the numbers don’t matter. I don’t want low numbers in Novice class in year one to cause CDs to give up on it. We can’t force people to join. This initiative is a way to gain a following or at least a better reputation among modelers and clubs.

If I based my contest strictly on numbers I would have cancelled it for lack of pre registered pilots. Instead we gained a contest, good will towards IMAC from the host club and members, better understanding among Novice participants who will be able to share that experience in a more positive way than they did before actually being involved in a contest.

Of course the ultimate goal is more members and I am confident, given the required effort by CDs and pilots, it will increase membership.

Daren
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Offline Earle Andrews  
#4 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 6:58:23 AM(UTC)
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Chuck....you just can't resist bringing your negativity into everything!
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#5 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 7:12:05 AM(UTC)
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Exactly Earle and Daren. And Daren simply put some experience with a new aspect being Novice. One that is slowly working. If we look at the threads,

Centerline Proposal, Seems melancholy.
Amendment Proposal. He believes that there is nothing needed and too little being attempted or that is simply is not needed. But nothing in way of ideas of growth from him.
Novice Class. Not worth it.

The members seem to either stay away from his posts, by not responding, and you never see a "Thank You for Your Useful Post" on his negative inputs.

I believe he just enjoys throwing wrenches (insults) at anything we in IMAC that are earnestly trying to change and better for the club in general as being bad or useless. Instead I would rather see some input for the success of IMAC and the growth of IMAC. Seems that is not his mission. Only to tear down and insult the BOD and committees and members like yourselves that are trying to improve and change and adapt to our ever changing climate and attempts at change and growth and building up of the club.

I am sure he will have a response here as well.
I earnestly thank Members like yourselves who call him out on his negativity. You are the members that BOD and the committees and members in the trenches work tirelessly to build a better, bigger stronger and tighter bond of IMAC Internationally.

My Friday morning RANT!

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Offline Daren Hudson  
#6 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 7:36:01 AM(UTC)
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Doug, thanks but everyone has their opinion. I give the benefit until proven wrong. Unfortunately, there are members of our greater hobby community that fail to see the big picture and huge benefits of “friend-raising” in all aspects. “Change” in any form is sometimes a paralyzing experience for people. The natural defense mechanism is criticism.

Those who “get it” will get my post. Those who don’t, I would hope could have the patience to sit back and watch vs putting something others are actively pursuing down. I didn’t take Chuck’s reply so much negative as I did just a very narrow view of the broader issue. Trying to lift the pencil point view off the paper and see the desk, the floor and all the surroundings!

Bottom line, we had a great time at Granite State and I was very proud of the pilots for embracing the new Novice class and the Novice pilots for getting out of their comfort zone with nothing but positive results. I was very pleased. Every one who leaves satisfied and happy is a win!

Have great contests all.
Daren
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Offline Chuck Edwards  
#7 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 7:52:14 AM(UTC)
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Guys,

I am a not into painting rainbows and sniffing fairy dust. As I said, I applaud the effort and maybe it will gain some traction. Every region is different and has participation deficiencies in different classes. In my experience participation levels in the lower classes seems to be fairly good across the board. It seems like we start to lose traction when people have to make the transition to Advanced. Why is this? That is the problem you guys need to throw into the ole think tank.

Earl,

I'm not being negative for the sake of being negative, I just don't buy into all the BS that people try to shovel! Some people are not afraid to really speak their minds on here while others hide behind the curtains because they are afraid of what others may think. Then there is the group that is just happy to go hang out with a handful of their buddies at a different venue than their local field. I am in the first group and proud of it.
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Offline Earle Andrews  
#8 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 7:57:13 AM(UTC)
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So far this season I've been to 4 contests. No Novices took advantage of the new program, although there was some interest and informal discussion with a few folks who are were on the fence. We did have a couple new Basic pilots, which is always great to see!

Like a new plant, it will take some time to see if the Novice offering bears fruit.

BTW - in the NE the Advanced class has grown substantially in the past year.
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Offline Daren Hudson  
#9 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 8:08:22 AM(UTC)
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Chuck, it’s a good thing I don’t have much hair for the “fairy dust” to get caught in. Really? Rainbows and fairy dust. In the spirit of speaking one’s mind, optimism is the word your looking for in your sarcastic attempt at humor. A couple more are: “participation” in the act of increasing participation, aka- put up or shut up! “You guys” as in “not me, I’m too busy being real here man!” all need to put that in the ole think tank”! “Hey guys, I’ll identify the problems and spew them
In sarcastic digs of honesty that I’m not afraid how people feel about them” but someone else actually go out and try to do something about it.” Roll eyes emoji!

Chuck this post is an example of you reaping what you sow. Let’s not stay on “this” road shall we? There’s too many rainbows to paint and fairy dust to sprinkle! Time for me to flit away now. 🤦🏻‍♂️🙄 evidently “We” are IMAC, what are you? “Curtain” open!

Crap, epiphany! Just saw your tag, “#IMKINDOFIMAC”. Haha, speaks volumes! Try being “Kind to IMAC”

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Offline Chuck Edwards  
#10 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 8:09:04 AM(UTC)
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Doug,

I am all for the proposal for implementing centering maneuvers, it's about time that we get some precision back into IMAC. As far as noticing that people don't like or thank me for a useful post, well I just don't care is the bottom line. It's not like you tabulate them up at the end of the year and give out a useful post participation ribbon.
I was a member of the original M&M Committee, I stated back then that it was not going to be on singular change that will get IMAC going in the right direction regarding participation levels. It's going to take a lot of small tweaks to get where we need to be. Not only do we have the issue of new members joining, but we also have the issue of people not progressing past Intermediate and leaving IMAC as I stated above. As stated above, why is this?? I don't think that I have narrow vision here, I think it's the other way around to be fair. I want IMAC to succeed, and I have throw many useful suggestions out over the years. When the participation numbers start to come back up in Advanced around the NC I will consider upping my level of participation back to where it used to be. Until then you can find out on the Pattern circuit.
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#11 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 8:14:30 AM(UTC)
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Offline Chuck Edwards  
#12 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 8:19:35 AM(UTC)
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Chuck, it’s a good thing I don’t have much hair for the “fairy dust” to get caught in. Really? Rainbows and fairy dust. In the spirit of speaking one’s mind, optimism is the word your looking for in your sarcastic attempt at humor. A couple more are: “participation” in the act of increasing participation, aka- put up or shut up! “You guys” as in “not me, I’m too busy being real here man!” all need to put that in the ole think tank”! “Hey guys, I’ll identify the problems and spew them
In sarcastic digs of honesty that I’m not afraid how people feel about them” but someone else actually go out and try to do something about it.” Roll eyes emoji!

Chuck this post is an example of you reaping what you sew. Let’s not stay on “this” road shall we? There’s too many rainbows to paint and fairy dust to sprinkle! Time for me to flit away now. 🤦🏻‍♂️🙄 evidently “We” are IMAC, what are you? “Curtain” open!


Daren,

I have chased the points and collected the trophies my friend. At the point where I start to show up and only have one or two people to fly against is where I draw the line. I am well aware that IMAC is more than competition, it's about the friends and bonds we make along the way. Unfortunately I have a much stronger drive for good competition than I do for just blowing 500-600 dollars a weekend to hang out with friends, I can do that at my local club field with people I have known my entire life. Again, I know that everyone does not share that same drive for IMAC. I again thank you for being apart of the committee and trying to #MAKEIMACGREATAGAIN! Don't turn into one of the many sheep and be afraid to express your opinions.

Charles Edwards
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Offline Daren Hudson  
#13 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 9:03:41 AM(UTC)
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I think I just proved that Chuck. The beauty of this hobby is there are so many areas to enjoy and compete in. Sounds to me like you’ve outgrown your IMAC experience, either temporarily or permanently. So enjoy pattern flying or anything else you want to do in the hobby.
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Offline Daren Hudson  
#14 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 9:08:15 AM(UTC)
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For those enjoying the distraction of the past several romper room rants (me included!). This post is intended to get feedback on the Novice Class initiative. I guess I should have expressed that more clearly from the start.

Now that the “practice session” is complete and we’ve all burned some gas. Let’s get back to the topic.

Let us know how the Novice Class is working out. Not only from a numbers perspective but the “buzz” if any and feedback from participants or spectators for that matter.

Thanks,
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Offline Brad  
#15 Posted : Friday, June 21, 2019 12:07:11 PM(UTC)
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I've been at the contests this year with Earle, and although only 1 contest formally offered the novice class (my own), we haven't seen much interest. Its a seed we should keep, and perhaps with more nurturing it will bear fruit.

Although not flying novice, there was a new basic pilot at CAPI. Pete Castine asked me to mentor him for the weekend, since I was set up in the tent next to his. I walked him through the sequences, helped him get where he needed to be, kept him breathing while he was flying, gave him pointers after each round, and tried to make sure his experience with IMAC was positive. It wasn't actually his first contest. He had been at CAPI last year with his son (who flew basic). This year he decided to try it himself. I don't think he's made the commitment yet to travelling to contests, but I hope we'll see him again in the future.

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