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Offline Primo Rivera  
#46 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2019 8:00:18 PM(UTC)
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Hello guys,

Primo here, just some input from the SE. So far we have had seven contest and the novice class has been offered in every single one of them, there has been interest but none have actually showed. However we have picked up new Basic pilots here and there. Just this last contest we had a pattern guy who tried it out and its looking forward to the next one.

Just thought I share.

Primo
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Offline Bill Teeter  
#47 Posted : Friday, June 28, 2019 9:08:14 PM(UTC)
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Our experience has been similar. It seems that if they have enough courage to come out then they are fine to fly Basic. A lot depends on the welcome and how the other pilots respond to them. I am fortunate to fly up here with some really good guys that go out of their way to make new pilots feel welcome. We try hard to make sure their first experience is a good one. Our experience is that novice class in itself is a good idea but if guys come out they seem to be comfortable with jumping into Basic. We really de-emphasize competition and judging, really focus on helping them learn to fly the maneuvers and not saturate them with too much advice, just gentle progressive coaching.
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Offline Chuck Edwards  
#48 Posted : Saturday, June 29, 2019 11:08:14 AM(UTC)
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#49 Posted : Saturday, June 29, 2019 2:02:03 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Bill Teeter Go to Quoted Post
Our experience has been similar. It seems that if they have enough courage to come out then they are fine to fly Basic. A lot depends on the welcome and how the other pilots respond to them. I am fortunate to fly up here with some really good guys that go out of their way to make new pilots feel welcome. We try hard to make sure their first experience is a good one. Our experience is that novice class in itself is a good idea but if guys come out they seem to be comfortable with jumping into Basic. We really de-emphasize competition and judging, really focus on helping them learn to fly the maneuvers and not saturate them with too much advice, just gentle progressive coaching.


Great point Bill. At our Odessa contest I hosted a mini bootcamp on Friday with 9 students. 2 pilots were there to try novice. At the end of the day both switched to basic and done well. We even got 4 new IMAC members. Without the promotion of Novice this would not have happened.
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Offline Steve Stanton  
#50 Posted : Sunday, June 30, 2019 10:16:01 AM(UTC)
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Question; If you were the CD at an IMAC event and someone came up and asked you if they
could just fly a round in the Basic Class. Not interested in scores, just want to fly a round, what
would you do?
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#51 Posted : Sunday, June 30, 2019 12:24:20 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Steve Stanton Go to Quoted Post
Question; If you were the CD at an IMAC event and someone came up and asked you if they
could just fly a round in the Basic Class. Not interested in scores, just want to fly a round, what
would you do?


Send them up at the end of the basic class with the best caller I could find.

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Offline Matt Komar  
#52 Posted : Sunday, June 30, 2019 1:06:08 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Steve Stanton Go to Quoted Post
Question; If you were the CD at an IMAC event and someone came up and asked you if they
could just fly a round in the Basic Class. Not interested in scores, just want to fly a round, what
would you do?


That's is essentially what the Novice class is.
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Offline Doug Pilcher  
#53 Posted : Sunday, June 30, 2019 1:21:21 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Steve Stanton Go to Quoted Post
Question; If you were the CD at an IMAC event and someone came up and asked you if they
could just fly a round in the Basic Class. Not interested in scores, just want to fly a round, what
would you do?


Originally Posted by: Matt Komar Go to Quoted Post
That's is essentially what the Novice class is.


Not "essentially", as much as that is what Novice Class is.

Look, as CD's you have to make the best calls for your contest within the rules and standards documents.

IF, my CD hat is on and just my backyard local contest, and I had Just 1 (one) individual looking to do this. I would simply put him at the end of the Basic rotation and let him fly one, two or three rounds if he wished on Saturday and for NO CHARGE. The rest of Basic rotation would swap order as event standards were set up. One, or 2 or 3 pilot drop, and let the ONE individual remain last in line. I would make sure I or someone of some experience level was able to be with him and let sitting judges know that this one pilot's scores would not be handed in to scorekeeper but to the pilot or mentor with him for feedback. I would also let the scorekeeper know that if they made their way in, they would be omitted and please get back to me.

Easily accommodated.
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#54 Posted : Sunday, June 30, 2019 2:50:17 PM(UTC)
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Hi all

Chuck, you've always had a special way to define things, one thing for sure you have brilliant ideas.
Sometimes I think that you might be ahead of your time but again, tact I guess (I dont have a problem with it though).
Just saying it as a friend that drank a beer or two with you and love our talks and flying time, when you come and pay a visit.BigGrin
As continuing your IMAC membership, I dont think its optional, you will continue it... Ive got a very good Kosher lamb chops and steak just for you. Drool

For the thread issue here.
New pilots are sometimes being deterred from participating in their first contest, especially when they see so many pilots with or without big planes. The Novice Class came to solve this biased issue by relieving this frighting idea from the future IMAC pilot.
My opinion is that by giving this option to the CD, its another tool in his quiver to execute and implement a sustainable contest to every pilot that wants to fly in an IMAC contest.
People might say that in this Novice class there is no real advantage because it adds more work to the CD that might not always worthwhile but I think its not true, if in every contest we could bring more pilots to come see and fly IMAC so they could see the quality, brotherhood and passion we have for this hobby, it will help us convince them to be part of this club.
The Novice class pilot today is the Basic, Sportsman, Intermediate, Advanced and Unlimited of tomorrow.
Its the right tool for the right job.

As a personal experience, we had our first Novice class in Israel on our April contest as well with great success...he is an IMAC member now and will fly next contest on September in the Basic class.

In other countries in the international region I know that there is an interest.
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#55 Posted : Monday, July 1, 2019 10:16:32 AM(UTC)
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Adi,

You will always be my Brother buddy! Hanging out with you and your family while I was in Israel are memories I will always cherish! Hopefully I will have opportunities to visit in the future. As for my continuation on paying IMAC dues, it won't happen anytime soon. At the end of the day I don't need to. I am perfectly fine going to a couple of IMAC events and paying extra. They way some of us have been treated by the leadership is nothing that I want to be apart of as long as they are around.
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Offline Steve Stanton  
#56 Posted : Monday, July 1, 2019 1:04:54 PM(UTC)
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Thanks for the input to my hypothetical question. For me the answers provided express the same thing I would do if I were the CD.
I agree 100% with the CONCEPT of the Novice class but I wonder if it wouldn't be even more inviting to a potential interest if he or she didn't even have to register in a Novice Class.
Just come on out and give it a try. No judging, no points. Just try it. We'll give you any help or assistance that you want or don't want.
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Offline Earle Andrews  
#57 Posted : Monday, July 1, 2019 3:11:30 PM(UTC)
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Steve....there is no registration required for Novice. Essentially they can do just what you describe, although they will be flying the Basic sequence (Saturday Only) and the scores (if they wish to see them) would be handed to them....but NOT entered into the Score Program.
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#58 Posted : Monday, July 1, 2019 5:48:29 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Steve Stanton Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for the input to my hypothetical question. For me the answers provided express the same thing I would do if I were the CD.
I agree 100% with the CONCEPT of the Novice class but I wonder if it wouldn't be even more inviting to a potential interest if he or she didn't even have to register in a Novice Class.
Just come on out and give it a try. No judging, no points. Just try it. We'll give you any help or assistance that you want or don't want.


Steve,

Exactly! The only “registration” is either contacting a CD or mentor prior to contest to practice or on Saturday, show up, sign in, get matched up with a mentor, pay a donation (or not, up to CD. I chose to ask for $10 donation, which goes right to host club). Once matched up, start the learning! Review aircraft setup, the days flying plan, go over Basic sequence. If desired, shadow judging, talk with other pilots, watch the other classes fly, anything “inside the ropes”.

My two pilots decided to participate that day.

Offering it, promoting it and making sure pilots understand it is key.

This really has great potential to get the positive word out and has all ready resulted in new memberships. Besides, it’s fun and rewarding to share the discipline of this SIG with other pilots.

Like Nike says- Just do it!

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#59 Posted : Monday, July 1, 2019 7:28:17 PM(UTC)
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Guys,
We need to consider safety first. Then make sure they abide by the clubs rules and sign the release just as all other pilots do.
At this point I would marry them with an experienced pilot and review their airplane set up.. throws, kill switch, flight plan, etc.

The pilot will likely be nervous as we have all been and we want ensure safe successful flight.

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#60 Posted : Monday, July 1, 2019 8:06:03 PM(UTC)
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Originally Posted by: Steve Stanton Go to Quoted Post
Thanks for the input to my hypothetical question. For me the answers provided express the same thing I would do if I were the CD.
I agree 100% with the CONCEPT of the Novice class but I wonder if it wouldn't be even more inviting to a potential interest if he or she didn't even have to register in a Novice Class.
Just come on out and give it a try. No judging, no points. Just try it. We'll give you any help or assistance that you want or don't want.


We need to remember there are AMA requirements for participants in and AMA event, which is what any IMAC contes is!
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